Monday, July 6, 2015

Libertarian fact about marriage


Marriage should not be a government matter.
The problem with both the Republicans and the Democrats
is power and control.
Both want to control your choices,
your behaviors, your life.
Libertarians want to leave you alone to make your own decisions.
Good or bad, right or wrong, moral or immoral,
as long as you don't commit a crime against a person
(you know, robbery, battery, murder, etc.),
what you do and with whom you do it (consenting adult)  is no one's business.

11 comments:

Son of Liberty said...

McCarthyist propaganda does not tell the whole truth about the communist agenda and its relation to love and sex. The communist endgame is not one where people - straight or gay - would ever be in love. Communists in power have traditionally enforced puritanism with the power of the state, because personal relationships run contrary to collectivism.

Gays are often singled out for brutality in communist countries, and Cuba was one of the worst. Che Guevara had a strong hatred of gays (and blacks), and he saw to it that Megele-style experiments on gays in attempts to "cure" them of their homosexuality (http://www.udel.edu/LAS/Vol14-2Tahbaz.html).

As for the Republicans, using the power of the state to enforce tradition is itself a form of tyranny. Unfortunately, many who vote Republican do so believing that using statism to fight statism will produce a condition of freedom.

genericviews said...

it's a nice start. But you have to follow through and create conditions where the state and federal govt's are blind to marriage and have no say in it. They don't count it or count against it on your taxes, on your welfare applications, on your student loans, in divorce courts, on your Social Security, on your military pay and allowances. NOTHING. Then marriage goes back to where it needs to be: in the hands of a few hundred million religious fanatics.

Cederq said...

Yeah, but 'to whom I want to do it" sometimes ain't what the whom wants done to her.... damn details.

Volfram said...

So paradoxically, this means that, since marriage licenses would not have been given out to two members of the same sex, the Democrat party was also the first party to ban gay marriage.

Marriage licenses are racist and homophobic. (As is gun control.)

Anonymous said...

And the state needs to NOT try to enforce the gay agenda on others, like the Boy Scouts, bakeries, etc, who don't want to endorse "gayness." In other words, you are free to be gay, just don't try to force others to support you.

Did you know that GAY is actually an acronym for Got Aids Yet?

Rusty

alcade said...

Sounds nice, but it's also not true, as a quick Google search would have revealed. This is also why I stopped considering myself a libertarian, although my sympathies are generally with their ideals. The whole "do what you want" so long as you don't hurt anyone strikes me as incredibly naïve - about like the left saying that if we gave up our guns and dissolved the military we'd usher in an era of peace. Neither takes human nature into account.

Anonymous said...

I need a citation for this, because I can't find a reference for that anywhere.

Son of Liberty said...
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Son of Liberty said...

"The whole "do what you want" so long as you don't hurt anyone strikes me as incredibly naïve - about like the left saying that if we gave up our guns and dissolved the military we'd usher in an era of peace. Neither takes human nature into account."

Authoritarianism is almost always born from good intentions. The communists want equal outcomes for all and believe they can force it. Fascists (except the Nazis who knew the wrongness of their actions) believe they can strike a balance between Capitalism and Communism. Theocrats believe they are saving the masses from themselves by outlawing behaviors contrary to whatever holy book.

Humanity, as Robert A Heinlein said, divides itself between those who want to control others and those who have no such desire. Those who seek to control others often do so believing that they are doing good. Their followers tend to believe that the concept of free will is a bad thing.

Libertarians do not support a government big or powerful enough to impose one group's morals on the other, and they support unfettered gun ownership; something that Republicans and Democrats do not. An armed society is a peaceful and tolerant society.

alcade said...

"Libertarians do not support a government big or powerful enough to impose one group's morals on the other,"

Sure they do, they're just unwilling to admit it. Nothing wrong with it though, as it's a pretty utopian ideal.

Simple question: Do your morals state that it wrong to molest children, beat your wife, steal, etc?

And if so, do you believe in using force to make others abide by your morals?

Libertarianism has just a bit too much moral relativism for me.

Son of Liberty said...

The core of libertarianism is the right to choose and the right to refuse, backed up with personal force (self defense). Big government is not necessary to protect from crime.