That's interesting, Mr. Rat. Eight years of listening to grievances from the Left about Bush 43, and each and every one was touted as a valid point. Yet, we have issues with the loss of Constitutional Freedoms, the blatant disregard for fiscal responsibility (something the Left bitched about with Bush, but Obama has tripled), and the dismissal of 49% of Americans, and we're malcontents. What's good for the Commie obviously isn't good for the Libertarian.
I am not going to argue with you.You believe whatever you want. No one called you a malcontent, but you choose to once again get your feelings hurt. I quit. No hard feelings. I sacrificed to much for our country to condone it being destroyed within.
I didn't take it personally, just observing that complaints on one side are always considered invalid by the other side. R's did it with D's during the Bush years and the D's are doing it now. And it takes two sides. If the Dems would back off on all the 2nd Amendment raping and get serious about cutting spending (and that goes for the Rs as well, plenty of pork to chop on both sides), we wouldn't feel so threatened. The quickest way to destroy the country you love and fought to protect is to destroy the foundation on which it was built, agreed?
Fuck Obama. I know a lot of guys who have given a lot to this country. Don't see them reminding everyone about it in every breath. Fuck Obama and everyone who voted for that POS.
Well Angel, you get a big harumph out of me. I've been listening to "you can't say that" forever. Why not, if it's the truth, if it's what I observe (realist), I'll say it. It's time to chose sides, open your eyes and be honest with yourself. Let's hot wire the left wing's steamroller and use it against them. Shit, diarrhea of the keyboard strikes again.
The Republicans and the Democrats are two wings of the same bird. The only difference is the Republicans use lubricant. The two parties have morphed into Marxism and Marxism light!
"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts," Patriots, it is all a stage game, it has been for a long time. Maybe more like a shell game, slight of hand. Look over there, razzle dazzle. I predicted all of this, ask my neighbors, they laughed, but not anymore. Time to stop the rhetoric and organize, quickly, network, plan. The roller coaster has only reached the top now.
I think what Angel is saying Patrick Henry said it this way...
"They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! "
Obama has not tripled the debt. He has however added one third to the two thirds left by the Bush administration. Many things have caused these debts ! Primarily though they are being caused by the price of energy more than tripling. Hmm is that just a coincidence that the debt also tripled ? I think not... Until cheap energy is once again achieved, nothing can change with the economic future. Politicians and we the people all eat out of the same pot.
Let's look at the debt figures provided by the Treasury itself: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
These figures are as of 9/30 of each year. For 2001 (when Bush took office) and 2009 (when he left and Obama came in), I took the average of the prior year and that figure, bringing us to *roughly* the debt on 3/30 of those years (which is a lot closer to when they actually took office, and also close to the time when they began to affect spending decisions. OK, here's the meat and potatoes: 3/30/01 debt was roughly 5,470 billion; 3/30/09 debt was roughly $10,967 billion, and increase of $5,227 billion over 8 years, for an average of roughly $653 billion/year. Shameful, disgraceful and disgusting, especially since the supposedly fiscally-responsible Republicans had total control for a couple of years.
OK, now let's look at Obama. 3/30/09 debt was roughly $10,967 billion; 9/30/12 debt (3.5 years worth) was roughly $16,067 billion. This is an increase of $5,099 billion in 3.5 years, for an average of $1,457 billion/year. That is 2.23 times the rate at which Bush accumulated debt, and my adjectives to describe the malevolence of this have run out.
The facts speak for themselves. The Republicans are highly irresponsible, while the Democrats can only be seen as PURPOSEFULLY SPENDING US TO OBLIVION.
There really has never been any doubt as to who is spending what.
Yet I keep throwing out the cause, ( lack of cheap energy ) which is and has been the real engine of our prosperity for over a hundred years. In fact thru the whole industrial revolution. Seems no one wants to discuss this lil fact. Maybe because there are no easy solutions to fix it. Much easier to put the blame toward politicos. Granted it is them whom could possibly institute a new "Manhattan style" crash program to try and rectify this problem. Seems we are always in pursuit of the easy path.
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"a Spade a Spade"
Those given a niggardly portion of brains will be calling you a racist in 3..2..1..
And a malcontent a malcontent....
That's interesting, Mr. Rat. Eight years of listening to grievances from the Left about Bush 43, and each and every one was touted as a valid point. Yet, we have issues with the loss of Constitutional Freedoms, the blatant disregard for fiscal responsibility (something the Left bitched about with Bush, but Obama has tripled), and the dismissal of 49% of Americans, and we're malcontents. What's good for the Commie obviously isn't good for the Libertarian.
I am not going to argue with you.You believe whatever you want. No one called you a malcontent, but you choose to once again get your feelings hurt. I quit. No hard feelings. I sacrificed to much for our country to condone it being destroyed within.
I didn't take it personally, just observing that complaints on one side are always considered invalid by the other side. R's did it with D's during the Bush years and the D's are doing it now. And it takes two sides. If the Dems would back off on all the 2nd Amendment raping and get serious about cutting spending (and that goes for the Rs as well, plenty of pork to chop on both sides), we wouldn't feel so threatened. The quickest way to destroy the country you love and fought to protect is to destroy the foundation on which it was built, agreed?
Fuck Obama. I know a lot of guys who have given a lot to this country. Don't see them reminding everyone about it in every breath.
Fuck Obama and everyone who voted for that POS.
Well Angel, you get a big harumph out of me. I've been listening to "you can't say that" forever. Why not, if it's the truth, if it's what I observe (realist), I'll say it.
It's time to chose sides, open your eyes and be honest with yourself.
Let's hot wire the left wing's steamroller and use it against them.
Shit, diarrhea of the keyboard strikes again.
The Republicans and the Democrats are two wings of the same bird. The only difference is the Republicans use lubricant. The two parties have morphed into Marxism and Marxism light!
The dems don't even spit on it first.
Concerning the world of Politics
"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts,"
Patriots, it is all a stage game, it has been for a long time. Maybe more like a shell game, slight of hand. Look over there, razzle dazzle. I predicted all of this, ask my neighbors, they laughed, but not anymore. Time to stop the rhetoric and organize, quickly, network, plan. The roller coaster has only reached the top now.
I think what Angel is saying Patrick Henry said it this way...
"They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! "
Patrick Henry... St. John's Church...
Obama has not tripled the debt. He has however added one third to the two thirds left by the Bush administration. Many things have caused these debts !
Primarily though they are being caused by the price of energy more than tripling. Hmm is that just a coincidence that the debt also tripled ? I think not...
Until cheap energy is once again achieved, nothing can change with the economic future.
Politicians and we the people all eat out of the same pot.
To Hiswiserangel and Spud:
Let's look at the debt figures provided by the Treasury itself: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
These figures are as of 9/30 of each year. For 2001 (when Bush took office) and 2009 (when he left and Obama came in), I took the average of the prior year and that figure, bringing us to *roughly* the debt on 3/30 of those years (which is a lot closer to when they actually took office, and also close to the time when they began to affect spending decisions. OK, here's the meat and potatoes: 3/30/01 debt was roughly 5,470 billion; 3/30/09 debt was roughly $10,967 billion, and increase of $5,227 billion over 8 years, for an average of roughly $653 billion/year. Shameful, disgraceful and disgusting, especially since the supposedly fiscally-responsible Republicans had total control for a couple of years.
OK, now let's look at Obama. 3/30/09 debt was roughly $10,967 billion; 9/30/12 debt (3.5 years worth) was roughly $16,067 billion. This is an increase of $5,099 billion in 3.5 years, for an average of $1,457 billion/year. That is 2.23 times the rate at which Bush accumulated debt, and my adjectives to describe the malevolence of this have run out.
The facts speak for themselves. The Republicans are highly irresponsible, while the Democrats can only be seen as PURPOSEFULLY SPENDING US TO OBLIVION.
Okay, 2.23 is NOT tripled. I stand corrected.
Your last statement is priceless.
There really has never been any doubt as to who is spending what.
Yet I keep throwing out the cause,
( lack of cheap energy ) which is and has been the real engine of our prosperity for over a hundred years. In fact thru the whole industrial revolution.
Seems no one wants to discuss this lil fact. Maybe because there are no easy solutions to fix it. Much easier to put the blame toward politicos. Granted it is them whom could possibly institute a new "Manhattan style" crash program to try and rectify this problem.
Seems we are always in pursuit of the easy path.
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